Comments on: Frank Wren’s “How to Give a Hall-of-Famer the SHAFT!” http://americanmissive.com/2009/06/04/frank-wrens-how-to-give-a-hall-of-famer-the-shaft/ Wed, 10 Mar 2010 07:19:33 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: TennesseePaul http://americanmissive.com/2009/06/04/frank-wrens-how-to-give-a-hall-of-famer-the-shaft/#comment-2366 TennesseePaul Thu, 11 Jun 2009 02:24:51 +0000 http://americanmissive.com/?p=3895#comment-2366 I've read the local fan base reactions. Seems fifty-fifty with all of the agreeing that Hanson was better for the team than Glavine. What's done is done. The bad pitcher is out, the good one is in. As for that video. That was funny. I’ve read the local fan base reactions. Seems fifty-fifty with all of the agreeing that Hanson was better for the team than Glavine. What’s done is done. The bad pitcher is out, the good one is in.

As for that video. That was funny.

]]> By: Stephen VanNuys http://americanmissive.com/2009/06/04/frank-wrens-how-to-give-a-hall-of-famer-the-shaft/#comment-2363 Stephen VanNuys Thu, 11 Jun 2009 01:56:02 +0000 http://americanmissive.com/?p=3895#comment-2363 http://obambi.wordpress.com/2009/06/10/msnbc-wants-to-cut-mics/#comment-36137 Check that video out. Wow. That guy was aggressive! http://obambi.wordpress.com/2009/06/10/msnbc-wants-to-cut-mics/#comment-36137

Check that video out. Wow. That guy was aggressive!

]]> By: Stephen VanNuys http://americanmissive.com/2009/06/04/frank-wrens-how-to-give-a-hall-of-famer-the-shaft/#comment-2357 Stephen VanNuys Thu, 11 Jun 2009 00:45:34 +0000 http://americanmissive.com/?p=3895#comment-2357 Weak response. Fan base here in Atlanta is upset, from what I understand. You don't treat a hall-of-famer that way. Weak response. Fan base here in Atlanta is upset, from what I understand. You don’t treat a hall-of-famer that way.

]]> By: TennesseePaul http://americanmissive.com/2009/06/04/frank-wrens-how-to-give-a-hall-of-famer-the-shaft/#comment-2351 TennesseePaul Tue, 09 Jun 2009 17:59:07 +0000 http://americanmissive.com/?p=3895#comment-2351 "I would have appreciated... honesty" By the fans when Mr. Glavine bee-lined for slightly more money from the arch rival. "I wouldn't have appologized. The team didn't need to say anything. I think the appolgy was a mistake. I'm on management's side on this one. Tom Glavine needs to learn when to fold 'em" All time home run champion, World Series Win for the Braves, Franchise leader in Home Runs, Doubles, RBI's, Total bases, Hits, Extra-base hits, Games, Slugging Percentage, 20-time All Star for the Braves, 6-time top-3 MVP, MVP, 3-GG, 20+ years as a Brave, 20+ years in the majors, Hall of Famer, all in the face of bitter and unrelenting racism. Tom Glavine is good. He is no Hank Aaron. “I would have appreciated… honesty”

By the fans when Mr. Glavine bee-lined for slightly more money from the arch rival.

“I wouldn’t have appologized. The team didn’t need to say anything. I think the appolgy was a mistake. I’m on management’s side on this one. Tom Glavine needs to learn when to fold ‘em”
All time home run champion, World Series Win for the Braves, Franchise leader in Home Runs, Doubles, RBI’s, Total bases, Hits, Extra-base hits, Games, Slugging Percentage, 20-time All Star for the Braves, 6-time top-3 MVP, MVP, 3-GG, 20+ years as a Brave, 20+ years in the majors, Hall of Famer, all in the face of bitter and unrelenting racism.

Tom Glavine is good. He is no Hank Aaron.

]]> By: Stephen VanNuys http://americanmissive.com/2009/06/04/frank-wrens-how-to-give-a-hall-of-famer-the-shaft/#comment-2349 Stephen VanNuys Tue, 09 Jun 2009 11:02:58 +0000 http://americanmissive.com/?p=3895#comment-2349 "I would have appreciated... honesty.” -Tom Glavine Hall-of-Famer, 5th Winningest Left-Hander of All-Time, Top Left-hander of the 1990's, 5-time 20 game winner, 2 Time Cy Young winner, MVP of the Braves ONLY World Series Win in Atlanta, 20+ year major league veteran I love the Hammer, but Tom stacks up pretty nicely with the man, by the numbers. I don't think the Hammer automatically trumps Glavine. “I would have appreciated… honesty.”

-Tom Glavine
Hall-of-Famer, 5th Winningest Left-Hander of All-Time, Top Left-hander of the 1990’s, 5-time 20 game winner, 2 Time Cy Young winner, MVP of the Braves ONLY World Series Win in Atlanta, 20+ year major league veteran

I love the Hammer, but Tom stacks up pretty nicely with the man, by the numbers. I don’t think the Hammer automatically trumps Glavine.

]]> By: TennesseePaul http://americanmissive.com/2009/06/04/frank-wrens-how-to-give-a-hall-of-famer-the-shaft/#comment-2344 TennesseePaul Mon, 08 Jun 2009 21:22:11 +0000 http://americanmissive.com/?p=3895#comment-2344 "I wouldn't have said anything if I were John Schuerholz [appology wise]. I think that was a mistake, because it was a no-win situation in his case, as much as [Schuerholz] tried to patch up the differences," Aaron said. Then he laughed, adding, "This is the first time I've ever been on management's side. I mean, Glavine got paid very well through the years to play here, and there's never a good way to handle these situations. But if you're the Braves, you've got to throw those kids out there and let them pitch. If you're Glavine, you have to be gracious enough to step aside." -Henry "The Hammer" Aaron “I wouldn’t have said anything if I were John Schuerholz [appology wise]. I think that was a mistake, because it was a no-win situation in his case, as much as [Schuerholz] tried to patch up the differences,” Aaron said. Then he laughed, adding, “This is the first time I’ve ever been on management’s side. I mean, Glavine got paid very well through the years to play here, and there’s never a good way to handle these situations. But if you’re the Braves, you’ve got to throw those kids out there and let them pitch. If you’re Glavine, you have to be gracious enough to step aside.”
-Henry “The Hammer” Aaron

]]> By: TennesseePaul http://americanmissive.com/2009/06/04/frank-wrens-how-to-give-a-hall-of-famer-the-shaft/#comment-2341 TennesseePaul Mon, 08 Jun 2009 00:20:38 +0000 http://americanmissive.com/?p=3895#comment-2341 I'll admit I was more upset over Smoltz. Perhaps this is bias. Perhaps this is acknowledging the fact that Smoltz had thrice returned from injuries to dominate. Glavine on the other hand had never "dominated" per-sey. He merely controled the game well. I'd have spent the money on Smoltz over Glavine. But I agree with the team that he wasn't worth the massive investment the BoSox made. The Braves are covered on pitching. It's hitting that is the problem. Had they taken this attitude with Chipper, then I'd be questioning Wren. I’ll admit I was more upset over Smoltz. Perhaps this is bias. Perhaps this is acknowledging the fact that Smoltz had thrice returned from injuries to dominate. Glavine on the other hand had never “dominated” per-sey. He merely controled the game well. I’d have spent the money on Smoltz over Glavine. But I agree with the team that he wasn’t worth the massive investment the BoSox made. The Braves are covered on pitching. It’s hitting that is the problem. Had they taken this attitude with Chipper, then I’d be questioning Wren.

]]> By: Stephen VanNuys http://americanmissive.com/2009/06/04/frank-wrens-how-to-give-a-hall-of-famer-the-shaft/#comment-2340 Stephen VanNuys Sun, 07 Jun 2009 20:50:08 +0000 http://americanmissive.com/?p=3895#comment-2340 http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4239049&campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines Long-term was a poor phrasing, I'll give you that TP. Perhaps I should have just said "plans" in general. But the fact remains, they did not communicate with him well at all. "I don't believe for a minute that it was totally a performance-related issue, which I'm totally fine with, but I would have appreciated the honesty," Glavine said Friday. Looks like Tommy may file a grievance. I don't blame him. This club has now mistreated him twice in his career. Frank Wren is losing my trust. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4239049&campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines

Long-term was a poor phrasing, I’ll give you that TP. Perhaps I should have just said “plans” in general.

But the fact remains, they did not communicate with him well at all.

“I don’t believe for a minute that it was totally a performance-related issue, which I’m totally fine with, but I would have appreciated the honesty,” Glavine said Friday.

Looks like Tommy may file a grievance. I don’t blame him. This club has now mistreated him twice in his career.

Frank Wren is losing my trust.

]]> By: TennesseePaul http://americanmissive.com/2009/06/04/frank-wrens-how-to-give-a-hall-of-famer-the-shaft/#comment-2338 TennesseePaul Sun, 07 Jun 2009 17:41:21 +0000 http://americanmissive.com/?p=3895#comment-2338 "Going into the rehab, they should have been clear with the fans and with Tom Glavine that he may not be in their long-term plans." Yes. I think Glavine was confused on this part. He signed a one year incentive laiden deal at the ripe old age of 43 coming off arm and shoulder surgery and several bad seasons with the strong impression that he was in the "long-term plans" for the Atlanta Braves. Please, if Glavine didn't realize he wasn't in the "long-term plans" of the Atlanta Braves, he's not as smart as previously thought. "Instead, they led everyone down a path of expecting Glavine’s return and then stripping that away at the final moment." Not every one. Count this Braves fan in as one who never thought he'd see Glavine pitch in the majors again. The man had never been injured before and so had never known the struggles associated with injury. He is no John Smoltz. Glavine was a soft tosser prior to injury and an increasingly bad one. I'm just happy the Braves didn't follow the Phillies and hand him a Jamie Moyer contract. “Going into the rehab, they should have been clear with the fans and with Tom Glavine that he may not be in their long-term plans.”

Yes. I think Glavine was confused on this part. He signed a one year incentive laiden deal at the ripe old age of 43 coming off arm and shoulder surgery and several bad seasons with the strong impression that he was in the “long-term plans” for the Atlanta Braves.
Please, if Glavine didn’t realize he wasn’t in the “long-term plans” of the Atlanta Braves, he’s not as smart as previously thought.

“Instead, they led everyone down a path of expecting Glavine’s return and then stripping that away at the final moment.”

Not every one. Count this Braves fan in as one who never thought he’d see Glavine pitch in the majors again. The man had never been injured before and so had never known the struggles associated with injury. He is no John Smoltz. Glavine was a soft tosser prior to injury and an increasingly bad one. I’m just happy the Braves didn’t follow the Phillies and hand him a Jamie Moyer contract.

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