ATLANTA— As much as I am not a Barack Obama supporter and I disagree with him substantially on many of his policy positions, I have now grown weary of the discussion about his birth certificate. I am glad the Supreme Court refused to hear the case. Here is the copy of his certificate, per the LA Times (click that link for a better view). Let’s move past these petty issues and get on to the real debate about policy and our country’s future.
TennesseePaul
Stephen VanNuys
Brooklyn Daniel
The Freedom Thinker
If the President Elect would enthusiastically at once signal Hawaii and produce in a Presidential tone a legitimate,transparent public disclosure of the documents in question to be viewed, touched, handled and examined by all of those interested, I would not be writing this right now, neither would there be any lawsuits, and the right and the left would not be squabbling at each other.
I have been a Christian for thirty years. The God whom I serve, Jesus Christ, is The One who never deals with the symptom of a situation, He always goes right straight to the root. The birth certificate deal, natural born or not, born in Kenya or born in the USA, are simply symptoms. The root is that which is cloaked in the mysterious darkness of something hidden. What triggers our President elect to have 20 lawsuits at the cost of one million dollars served upon himself in order to evade and conceal, instead of producing a 10.00 dollar document that would squelch all lawsuits once and forever more, silence the blogosphere, and stop the bickering amongst right wing nuts and liberal kooks. Is he knowingly running for, and assuming an office, in the which he is not eligible? This is the definition of an usurper. If he is totally innocent and pure he should enthusiastically summon for his documentation at once and put all dissenting voices such as mine to rest. I would certainly welcome it.
No one can convince me that in an era of extreme documentation, several web site images of a Hawaii document and a group of individuals posting jpeg photos of a certification of live birth is sufficient proof for the eligibility to the presidency of this great nation! If I was to need a driver’s license and needed my birth certificate, I could not guide the officials to a web site to look at the image of my birth certificate, as valid proof? Could you, or would you?
Mute silence has been the case now since August 21. A leader, rather, has the duty to boldly, wholeheartedly, openly, transparently, and forthrightly display the needed documentation to the public whom he will serve, in order to gain its trust in the integrity of his leadership. This type of ongoing chronic silence begins to have the smell of fraud.
This is not a right wing nut issue, neither is it left wing conspiracy kooks. Whom ever you are…tell me in all seriousness…in your heart of hearts… and in your gut of guts. Doesn’t something about all of this really bother you? If not for you, then for the sake of your children. Does the specter of someone who knowingly is ineligible to run for this office becomes president, or an usurper takes rein of our government disturb you? I am not calling the President Elect these things, but every day that passes with an ever intensifying crescendo of an American outcry for proof of eligibility, met feebly with cowardly evasion and a deafening silence from the President elect, while others lamely defend, speak out, and cover for him, exacerbates my suspicions. Does it not do it for you? Or don’t we care anymore? Are we like a herd of blind cattle flinging ourselves down the precipice, ipods, itouchs, iphones, itunes, and I don’t care in our hands, stubbornly covering our ears to the truth.
Though I disagree in many ways with the President elects views and convictions, I will be the first one to uphold his office if he leads me wholeheartedly, openly, transparently, and forthrightly.
As Ronald Regan bravely told President Gorbachev of the Soviet Union concerning the Berlin wall, Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall.
I say on behalf of all Americans “Mr. Obama produce your 10.00 dollar long vault birth certificate!”
John 3:19 And this is the test by which men are judged—the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness more than they loved the Light, because their deeds were wicked.
20 For every wrongdoer hates the light, and does not come to the light, for fear his actions should be exposed and condemned.
21 But he who does what is honest and right comes to the light, in order that his actions may be plainly shown to have been done in God.
Well said, JEA!
This whole thing sounds familiar.
Let’s see. Replace “Barack Obama” with “George W Bush”. Replace “birth certificate” with “military records”. All of this “cloaked in secrecy.
TP, you’re analogy holds up until you start equating “military records” with “violation of constitution.” I was in the army back in the sixties and beating duty was something everybody did. The liberal media tried to make a mountain out of a molehill. Thankfully everybody saw through that one.
Well, I think this is a mountain out of a mole hill. Obama is a US citizen. Because he hasn’t released documents to those who sue doesn’t mean anything to me. Bush was accused of receiving favoritism, shirking duties, being AWOL, and various other crimes all of which alleged documentation existed that could prove his guilt, but none of it was released by him, furthering suspicion and fanning flames of the fires of conspiracy and hatred of the man. “If you’re innocent, then you have nothing to hide!” was the call. But although the Constitution of the United States does not cite it explicitly, presumption of innocence is widely held to follow from the 5th, 6th and 14th amendments. It is a pretty well accepted part of American life that the burden of proof is on the prosecution, not the accused. And to date, nothing has been presented as legally viable proof that Obama is not a US citizen. Until such proof is presented, I will side with him, as I sided with Bush, that he is under no obligation to defend himself from baseless accusations.
Also, I fear what trouble might be wrought on this nation if the President-Elect is stripped from his assumed office on the eve of inauguration only to allow Joe Biden to be President. At least Obama’s ever changing message has changed into a McCainsian style governance of “we’ll leave Iraq when the Generals on the ground say it is time”… and then appointing pro-free market thinkers to his economic council, stalling the passage of increased taxes on Big Oil, the wealthy, capital gains and any other tax hike for which he had originally called, and putting his expansive medical plans on hold. All that’s left is his recent call for a Keynesian style approach to economic recovery. Something John McCain would have suspended his own President-Elect office to get in the middle of and push through Congress had he been capable of winning a national election.
Good discussion, JEA and Justshowstogoya. Good points.
JEA – to your point, yes- the prospect of a usurper dubiously claiming the office of president when he knowingly is inelligible does frighten me. But I have not been convinced that is what we have here.
Granted- I have not read up in detail on this issue. However, from what I have read it seems that he has a legitimate story supporting his birth in Hawaii and that he has documentation. If there is some proof to the contrary, I will definitely hear it. i.e. Do we have a certificate suggesting his birth elsewhere? Do we have significant amounts of witnesses coming forth saying he was born in another country? Have close associates of his turned against him and outed him? We may – I confess I have not read up on this in detail. But as yet, I’m not sure that we do have this contrary evidence.
From what I have been reading, a lot of this sounds like conjecture. It has been worthwhile to debate, but without significant evidence to the contrary, I’m not sure it’s a debate worth continuing.
But I welcome being proven wrong! If he is inelligible, I would definitely want to know.